Tuesday, February 24, 2009

Reality Bites

Sometimes, people just don't want to hear the facts.

This week, I am standing in the office, looking at some blood work, when I notice SS getting A Look on her face. I pause and listen for a moment; sometimes this indicates a question that a doctor has to answer. But it appears that SS is discussing travel regulations. She is (quite patiently) repeating herself over and over, in a loop that goes something like this:

"Yes, sir. The Canadians will require a current rabies in order for you to enter Canada. They usually will not require a health certificate, but if you are passing back into the United States, you may be asked for one at that border. No, sir, we don't insist that you get the health certificate OR the rabies vaccine, but if you don't, you may be stopped at the border. No, sir, that rabies certificate is expired. Yes, the Canadians will require a valid and current rabies certificate at the border. No, the CANADIANS aren't the ones who will require the health certificate. That may be required in order for you to re-enter the United States. No, sir, WE don't require you to get the health certificate or the rabies vaccine. That will be the people at the border. Yes, sir, you DO need a current rabies vaccine....."

While I am wondering what is so difficult about this, SS is clearly wondering the same thing. Finally (after several minutes of this) she appears to have settled the question, and hangs up.

"Man, I'm glad I'm not that guy," she says. "I could hear his wife in the background the whole time, screaming about the rabies vaccine and how it's just a conspiracy to get their money. I don't envy him the chance to drive 3,000 miles with her harping at him all the way."

"Well, he doesn't have to get a rabies vaccine; he can take his chances," I say.

"So I told him," SS agrees.

I think nothing of this until a few minutes later, when KD comes back.

"Can you talk to this woman?" she asks SS. "She has all these questions about health certificates and rabies vaccines."

"I just talked to them," SS says, exasperated.

"Well, can you talk to them again? This lady is getting pretty nasty with me and I don't know what else to tell her," KD says.

"I'll take that call," I say. "What line is she on?"

This is one of those situations in which sometimes the client has to talk to the doctor. Although, having listened to SS, I know that she has accurately (and civilly, and with considerable restraint and patience) dispensed the correct information, sometimes clients will not believe it until the doctor tells them the same exact thing. In addition, certain people feel perfectly comfortable rudely abusing the staff, but will rein themselves in when talking to the doctor, so sometimes it is best that one of us just steps in and takes the call. I admit I take a small amount of lurking pleasure from this; I figure that if a caller has already been abusing my staff - particularly when I am aware that said staff has been more than professional and forbearant about it - the caller is then due a firm reality check, delivered calmly and with professional detachment, but without equivocation or ambiguity. This is in part to defend my staff, who work damn hard for me; partly to stave off future assaults on them by repeat attacks by the same client; partly because I personally feel that anyone who believes that the rules shouldn't apply to them has another think coming; and partly because I am, by being a doctor, engaged in a lifelong battle against ignorance and misinformation, and I love to slay those monsters.

I pick up the line and say, in a pleasant tone of voice (because after all I am not averse to slaying this particular dragon), "This is Dr. H. Did you have a question about rabies vaccine?"

"Yes," says the client. "I just want to know why rabies vaccine is better up here than in New Mexico."

"Better....?" I ask.

"Yeah, why is it only good for a year in New Mexico and it's good for three years in Alaska?"

"For one thing, that depends on the age of the dog; the first rabies is good for only a year in Alaska, too. It's only the adult boosters that are a three-year vaccine here," I tell her. "In addition, each individual state sets its own laws for the required frequency of rabies vaccine. This is dependant on the risk of exposure and what the public health officers of the individual states have determined to be appropriate in that environment."

This checks her for a moment.

"But you're saying I have to get another rabies vaccine because it says it's only good for a year in New Mexico, even though Alaska says the shot is good for three years," she protests. "We got the shots two years ago."

"If the certificate is expired, then it can't be used as proof of current rabies vaccine, no matter when the vaccine was given," I tell her.

"So you're telling me you're going to MAKE me get another vaccine," she says, waspishly.

"No," I tell her, "I'm not telling you that, the state and national officials who require the paperwork are telling you that that. If the state of issue will only honor the vaccine for a year, then the certificate is expired, and can't be used as proof of current vaccine."

"This is all scam just so you can get our money!" she accuses me.

Ah, yes. She's caught me. I personally invented this scam just so I could force her to pay me seventeen dollars (of which only a small percentage will actually go into my pocket). Yep, and highly worth it, too, for that princely sum. I resist the temptation to bang my head against the filing cabinet beside which I am standing, and settle instead for gazing out the window at a lovely view of the mountains, serene and peaceful under a crisp white mantle of fresh snow.

"No, Ma,am, it's not a scam so we can get your money," I tell her patiently. "WE don't set any of these laws, but we do comply with them."

"My brother is a - a biochemical - a biochemical physicist," she says, stumbling over the term (and leading me to speculate that he is no such thing.) "HE says that if you get one vaccine then you're immune for life." (Ah, yes. The well-known medical authority of the biochemical physicist. Whatever that is.)

"Well, ma'am, that's not actually true. A great deal depends on the health of the animal in question, not to mention their age, the agent being vaccinated against, the type, condition and quality of the vaccine, and the immunological status of the animal - in addition to which, if you want to have aggressive immunity sufficient to prevent infection and not just enough to hopefully stave off death, you do need to do boosters. Some animals will have longer immunity than others and some might even have lifelong immunity, but some animals are non-responders and will have no immunity at all. The only way to tell the difference and know which one your animal is, is to run titers."

There is a momentary silence.

"So what you're saying is that I have to get vaccines for my pets whether I want them or not," she says acidly.

"No, ma'am. I'm not saying that at all. We personally have no stake in whether or not your pets are current on vaccine. What I'm saying is that if you want proof of current rabies vaccine then, yes, you are going to have to have your dog boosted."

"What a crock of shit!" she spits. "This is all just a big conspiracy to get our money, isn't it?" (this last delivered in a tone of demand, as if she is insisting that I agree with her.)

"Ma'am, the state of issue has determined, for whatever reason, that in that environment it is appropriate for companion animals to be vaccinated yearly for rabies. Since rabies is a fatal disease of humans, in the interest of public health, they have set a protocol which they feel to be appropriate to protect human life and the public well-being. If you wanted to prove that your pets did NOT need rabies vaccines, you'd have to do titers, which run around $200 per animal. The state has determined that if you adhere to their rabies vaccination policy, they won't require you to do the much more expensive titer and will instead accept a rabies vaccination certificate as adequate proof that your pet does not pose a risk to the public health."

Now there is a pause. Since she can no longer return to the "this is a scam to make money" theme - given that the state could make a LOT more money if they insisted on titers - she takes up a new position.

"Well, it's a stupid law. All the states should be the same."

"Ma'am, not all states have the same risk of exposure. Moreover, it appears that your biggest obstacle right now is actually the Canadian border, and we in the United States do not have the right to set policy for another nation. They have the right to protect their citizens and animal populations from fatal infectious diseases in whatever way they see fit."

"Well, someone should make sure all the states do it the same way," she repeats, truculently.

"Perhaps so, in which case I suggest that you contact your local legislators about that when you reach your destination," I say.

"What I want to know is why you can't do something about this."

Sigh. That filing cabinet is looking better and better.

"Ma'am, this is not a legislative body," I tell her. "This is a private practice clinic. If you want to change the law, I recommend that you contact your legislators in whatever community you settle in at the end of your move."

"Oh, like that's going to help," she retorts sarcastically. "If 80% of the people didn't want a bailout and it went through anyway, it won't matter what I say, they won't listen to me. I think you guys should do something about it."

"Ma'am, I am not a legislator, I'm a private practice veterinarian," I say, increasingly baffled as to what this client wants from me, and unsure how government bailouts have anything to do with rabies vaccines.

"Yeah, but you'd have more pull than I would," she says.

"Ma'am, I have no pull whatsoever in New Mexico, as I do not live there and am not licenced in that state, nor do I practice there," I tell her.

"Oh, I'm not going back to New Mexico," she says. "That's just where I got the rabies shots the last time."

"Be that as it may, I can't affect any state law outside the state in which I live, and your beef isn't with the state of Alaska, it's with the state of New Mexico," I say.

"I still don't see why I have to get another rabies shot."


"You don't have to get one," I tell her. "It's up to you if you comply with state and federal law. We don't set those laws, we just comply with them."

"I DO have to get one," she contradicts. "You're telling me that I can't leave the state without another shot and a certificate."

Ah, I knew we could be back to square one eventually. I narrowly resist the temptation to say, "So, did you just want someone to listen to you bitch about this?" and say instead, "Did you just want someone to listen to your concerns about this, ma'am, or can I help you in some way medically?"

"Well, I just think it's a stupid law," she says, running out of steam. "I guess I'll call back about the shots."

"Okay, then," I say.

Shaking my head a little, I turn away from my window mountain view to hang up the phone. Unbeknownst to me, I have gathered a little audience. SS, KD, and Drs. S and G are all standing behind me in a little ring. SS and KD (having both already had the pleasure of chatting with these clients) are grinning appreciatively. Drs. S and G are looking at me with eyebrows raised.

"What was that all about?" asks Dr. G.

"Some people didn't want to get rabies vaccines. Said it was a scam to get their money," I tell him, going to take the next appointment and leaving him shaking his head.

I thought no more about it until the next day when I look up from a chart to see my receptionist B ushering Dr. G into a room. She whispers that it's "those rabies people" from yesterday. Oh, goodie. I am cravenly glad it is not me taking the appointment, and return to making call-backs.

Thirty minutes later Dr. G comes back out of the room. He has an expression of incredulity on his face.

"What?" I say.

"They came in for rabies vaccines for their dog and cat, but he asked me while I was there if I could look at these bumps on the dog. So I felt under the jaw where he said the bumps were and the dog has these huge lymph nodes. So I checked the other lymph nodes and they're all huge. So then I feel the dog's abdomen and he has a giant cranial abdominal mass. So I tell him all that and that I can't be sure where the mass is coming from but I suspect spleen or liver and I think the dog might have lymphoma," he says. I suspect the same thing; it's not a certainty, but it would absolutely be a big enough suspicion to take up the top three slots on my rule-out list.

"So what'd he say about treatment?" I ask; having gone the rounds with the wife yesterday, I figure the dog's hope of treatment isn't good. At the best of times, lymphoma in dogs is regarded as an incurable cancer. But curable or not, it can certainly be treated, prolonging good-quality time for the dog. Depending on the type of therapy, treatment can be relatively inexpensive (although the remissions achieved with minimal therapies are short). Longer remissions require more complex regimens and are correspondingly more expensive, and more taxing in the short run for the dog (although this is paid back by the greater duration of good-quality time on the other side of chemo.)

"He declined anything, even pred," Dr. G says. Pred is an inexpensive treatment for lymphoma, and while it doesn't provide a long remission, it at least provides good quality time while it lasts. Still, given the previous day's conversation, I'm not surprised to learn the owners won't consider it, and I'm not even all that surprised when Dr. G adds, "He says his wife has a bunch of herbals which will cure the dog." Well, or not; I'm not averse to alternative therapies, but if there were herbals out there that would cure lymphoma, we'd all be investigating them pretty eagerly.

"He says the cancer is there because of the Chinese poisoning the dog food with bugs," Dr. G continues.

"Bugs?" I repeat, not sure I'm hearing him right.

"Yes. The Chinese put bugs in the food to poison it, and the white cells attach to the bugs, which mutates them. Normally the liver filters out the bugs, but due to the mutation, the liver doesn't recognize the bugs. The second line of defense is the spleen, which sends a registry to the rest of the body."

"A registry?" I ask.

"A registry," Dr. G nods. "Then, because the bugs have mutated, the spleen misses it too and the registry isn't sent to the rest of the body and so the kidneys get cancer, which is how the poisoned Chinese food causes kidney failure. [Here I will point out that Dr. G told the client the dog had lymphatic cancer, not kidney disease.] But evidently it's all okay, because the owner's wife has herbals and grapefruit extract and these will obviously cure it, so I shouldn't worry about it."

I goggle at him for a moment.

"What did you say to him?" I ask.

"I was trying not to laugh about the mutating Chinese bugs," Dr. G says, "so I was mostly just biting my tongue. But I figured it was a lost cause anyway. I told him what I think going on there, and I even showed him the other lymph nodes were enlarged and that I didn't think grapefruit extract was going to do it. He doesn't want to listen to me. I don't figure he's going to, no matter how many more times I say it."

Well, he has a point. Some clients are so attached to their belief systems that no amount of logic, proof, persuasion or sweet reason will shake them loose from their delusions.

Reality: It's not for wimps.


Anonymous said...

first - i'm glad you posted. I was getting worried about you!! No, i'm not a cyber stalker..

OMG! That poor dog. I feel so bad for it and not getting proper treatment. I would put that under animal cruelty.

Karl Katzke said...

WOW. Bless their hearts, they fell off the top of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down. This is one of those stories that can't be made up because no one in their right mind would make something like that up.

(For those not acquainted, you can insult anyone all you want down here and have it still be polite, as long as you say "bless his/her heart" beforehand.)

AKDD said...

KK - Snerk! Good tip! I'll try to remember that! :-D

Beth - yes, I've been a Very Very Bad Doc-Blogger. BAD doctor! No biscuit! - Just still trying to catch up on stuff. You'll probably see why in some future post... ;-)

Beth said...

Unfortunately, I have to admit this gave me a chuckle (although I do feel bad for the dog). I teach, and it is comforting to know that the many similar conversations I have had in regards to a) why we need a note when their child is out sick (state legislature requires it...we don't make the law and yes we are required by law to file truancy even though you told us your child was sick) b) no smoking in middle school (it's a law..no I didn't make it, but really neither you nor your 13 year old daughter make smoke in school) c) many others too numerous to mention. Maybe you could come down and take a few of those calls for me. You did very well!

And just for clarification...I'm not a cyber stalker but I'm also a different Beth :)

Holly said...

this is my life! Except it isn't about rabies shots and medical help...it's about how unfair the child custody/visitation and traffic citations are.

You are about 1000% more patient than I am. I am willing to go over the same point 2X, then I shut up...nothing like a stony silence to make them ask if you are still there. And when they do...I ask "is there anything else I can help you with?" if they start up again on the same subject I interrupt them to explain we have gone over this and if there is nothing else I have other lines on hold. And if they continue, I politely tell them I cannot explain it again but will be hanging up now.

and then I hang up.

I've only had one person call back and ask for a supervisor.....who promptly told them I was correct and if there was nothing else????

you just can't fix stupid.

EvenSong said...

I just wanna know why they fed the poor dog that mutant Chinese dog food in the first place!?!

I have had similar pointless conversations with parents (and even a teacher or two) as to why I can't "fix" their kiddo (I'm a school counselor who maybe sees the student once a week for half an hour), but why they shouldn't have to do anything in the way of parenting by setting boundaries or following thru on consequences for unacceptable behavior....

Jenn said...

Holy mackerel! You have FAR more patience than I could ever even dream of having.

I'll bet they wear aluminum hats at home to prevent the mutant space aliens from taking over their minds and forcing them to be nominally normal.

Michelle said...

THAT is insane. That poor sick dog...can you report them to the SPCA for refusing to treat the cancer, or would that be a breach of client/patient privacy or something?

AKDD said...

Well, I'm hoping these people will notice that the grapefruit extract isn't magically shrinking the dog's lymph nodes and will then consider some other kind of therapy for him, before it's too late. They clearly can't afford aggressive chemo, so his time is limited regardless, but they could give him a good couple of months if they went for the dirt-cheap and low-side-effect prednisone regimen. Most dogs feel great while on that. Unfortunately it only provides about 2 months of remission, but it's typically a good, enjoyable, confortable 2 months for the dog, with minimal side efects.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets these bizarre client conversations. I was afraid it was ME, for a while, somehow being a magnet for oddballs.

"Other" non-cyber-stalker Beth
(:-D) and ES - I don't know how you don't strangle parents who let their teens smoke, or who otherwise set no boundaries. They're setting those kids up to be disliked by others (because they'll trespass on other people's boundaries) and miserable and ineffective in their own lives (because they have no skills for self-discipline, following the many rules that they will ultimately have to follow in life, and don't know how to cope with disappointment.) But maybe that's just my opinion.

Holly, you probably have to field these calls many times a day. I onlt have to do it every few weeks or so. This is how I can be "more patient" than you are; I don't have the sheer volume to wade through. I have zillions of OTHER calls to deal with, but the vast majority are from people who are trying their best to understand ther pet's medical condition and are eagerly listening and sometimes taking notes. If I had to do this several times a day, I think I'd cease to see the huumor in it.

Maybe I shuold open a side line in stores that sell attractive and stylish aluminum hats....

AKDD said...

Michelle, I know, it makes you mad, doesn't it? But the clients are (as we speak) on the road between here and the Lower 48, so we wouldn't be able to intervene regardless. But even if they weren't, the law does not require the owner to treat cnacer. Realistically, some people can't afford it, and some dogs are not appropriate candidates, especially for agressive chemo. Luckily for this dog, lymphoma is not a painful cancer. It will ultimately be fatal, but it doesn't hurt. Eventually the dog will not feel well, at which time I devoutly hope the owners will either treat him or euthanize him... but that will happen at their point of destination, where it will be out of my hands.

MaskedMan said...

See? This is why I call you a paragon - I'd have throttled someone. Maybe two someones, after that sequence of events.

That poor, sad dog - Own by idiots.

That poor, sad couple - sentenced to life as idiots...

Pat said...

Yay! Welcome back! I get the biggest kick out of your blog and also the comments by other readers.
Bless their hearts, some people eat stupid for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I would have been so angry.

Anonymous said...

Yay! I really missed reading your posts! Your blog is definitely one of my favorites. :-)

And thank you for making me laugh a little this evening. LOL

AKDD said...

Thanks Pat and Inaradog... and sorry for the gaps. I try to keep up, but some days (or weeks, or months) that works better than others.... (sigh!)

MM, the funny thing is that I am MOST impatient with so many things, but for scared animals and (to a lesser degree) foolish owners I seem to have a pretty long fuse. Go figure!

Barb said...

I'm so glad you're back!

But what I want to know is... what did the bi... er, the wife say when Dr. G told them that now the dog COULDN'T (or at least shouldn't) get a rabies shot??!! :-)

VetRN said...

The poor dog.... I suspect the woman is bipolar with some paranoid overtones, and off hew meds as well. I suspect she's also taking the herbals she's so fond of since she "doesn't need those prescribed meds". The husband also needs to "grow a set" and insist that she see her therapist and take her meds; AND he needs to assume the responsibilities of pet care, since his clearly mentally-ill wife is unable to make responsible decisions.

Anonymous said...

WOW. I've heard some interesting things in my time working at a vet's office, but that takes the cake.

People are whacko. I applaud all you folks who have that much patience and self-control. I'd have a) laughed in their faces or b) simply walked out of the room. And then laughed hysterically. Guess that's why I'm the assistant, not a doctor or receptionist. I can turn around and smirk at the computer when someone says something truly outrageous.

By the way, been reading this blog for awhile, and I love it. Glad to see you're back to posting!

Siani said...

I'm afraid my patience would have snapped. I used to deal with people like that on a daily basis, when I worked as a technical support advisor for a cable TV, telephony and internet provider. You deserve a medal - or possibly beatification - for keeping your cool.

Great blog, BTW - I've been reading a while, but never actually commented before.